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music to move him is, even when doing a choreographed number, he isn't counting steps or thinking and anticipating where next he should move his body and how, like most dancers do. He simply does so by feeling and hearing the rhythm of the steps, and he just goes with it naturally. He thinks of it in terms of sound and music. There never is any hesitation on his part in moving into the next pose, there never is any stutter in his step. That is why Michael flows so beautifully. Each step is seamlessly connected because he isn't thinking about it while executing it, even when the steps are pre-planned, he isn't thinking, he is feeling it, in relation to the rhythm of the steps and in relation to the music being played back, it's all connected for him, from point A to point B to point C, it all flows together and into eachother, it isn't broken up into numbered fragments in his mind like it is for others, the steps just blend into eachother for him.

That's what Michael means when he says he lets the music dictate the dance. He lets the rhythm of the steps tell him what to and where to go, he doesn't think about it or assess it in his mind, he just lets himself go with the flow. It's totally natural for him and instinctual. That's why he looks so seamless when he dances, he just glides into each step without restraint or doubt, he does it with total assuredness.

What defines a great dancer?

It is how you move which determines how good of a dancer you are. You can learn steps, you can practice steps, you can get good at steps, but you can never learn to how to move well, or move as someone with a natural talent for dance can. That is the part you have to be born with, and that is the part which separates the good dancers from the great dancers.

And what dance consists of, what it is defined by, is the movement which carries you from one step to the next; the interim steps, the movement which connects each of the steps so that it becomes a flowing pattern. And how well you transition to each new position or pose is what defines how well you move. Are you fluid? Does it look effortless when you go from one step into another? Are you graceful? Do you look light on your feet? Are you quick? Are you neat, precise and accurate with each movement? Is each pose you hit so perfectly positioned that you can see every shape and contour of the human frame? Is each step you execute so clean, so well timed and held just long enough that, you don’t lose speed or accuracy, but that a still photograph taken of you at any point would make for a perfect silhouette?

Those are the qualities which make for a great dancer, and the best of the best posses all of the above.

Michael Jackson possesses all of the above, along with a totally unique and original style and an ability to move so well and with such speed and clarity that he appears almost fake in his movement, to look as no one else ever has before or since; that makes Michael Jackson the best of the best.

People saying Michael can't dance because he is repetitive?

I've seen people say Michael isn't a good dancer because he doesn't do a numerous amount of different steps like these pop and lock dancers do. I have to laugh when I see that. Stand any of those guys next to Michael and make them do the same choreography next to eachother, something which is just pure dancing, pure flow and precisian between and on steps, not popping or locking, and see who looks better. You know it's going to be Michael. There's a reason the poppers in Michael's videos don't get to line dance with the professionals. Dancing is moving from one step to another and how good you are is defined by how well that movement is, not by putting a wave through your body or making your joints pop or how many moves you can bust out in 1 minute.

To other naysayers:

Michael's style is unique. People who claim that Michael isn't that great, in any of his respective fields, are deluding themselves, and saying it only for the fact of their dislike for the man. They do not want to admit that Michael is talented, let alone the most talented, it goes against their ability to hate him. So they come up with any excuse in the book to belittle and undermine Michael's gifts.

As a dancer, Michael is supremely gifted, and I would say the most naturally gifted dancer to ever hit the planet. You [i]cannot[/i] deny it, plain and simple.

He does steps
He does steps, as you said olivia, that none of his heroes have done, and he does some they have. But the main point is, he combines them in a way never before seen, and he executes them with greater precisian and beauty then all of them.

So let people hate, they're just trying to justify their own stupidity, and admitting that Michael Jackson is the most talented individual to hit this planet, and he [i]is[/i] doesn't do well for their pathetic argument. They want to bring Michael, and anyone who is the best at anything, down to their level. But it's never going to happen, Michael is special, he is very, [i]very[/i] special.


He does steps, as you said olivia, that none of his heroes have done, and he does some they have. But the main point is, he combines them in a way never before seen, and he executes them with greater precisian and beauty then all of them.

So let people hate, they're just trying to justify their own stupidity, and admitting that Michael Jackson is the most talented individual to hit this planet, and he [i]is[/i] doesn't do well for their pathetic argument. They want to bring Michael, and anyone who is the best at anything, down to their level. But it's never going to happen, Michael is special, he is very, [i]very[/i] special.

This is all natural talent. Michael regularly makes his back up dancers, who are themselves, trained professionals, look sloppy and slow, as would Astaire with his dance partners.

So while Fred has the advantage over Michael due to his body being conditioned by training, on a natural basis, they equal each other. As was said by the poster before me, Michael Jackson is the greatest natural dancer, while Fred Astiare is the greatest trained dancer. If Michael were trained, he would be equal to Astaire in every way. They are both innately gifted beyond anyone else, the two most talented dancers in history. They both deserve massive respect and admiration.

What kind of dancing does Michael do most of?

Jazz dancing is mainly what Michael does, and then he incorporates other forms of dance, such as tap, salsa and even Indian and classical, into it, as well as other forms of movement, such as pantomime and popping. But a lot of the line dances you see Michael do, like in "Bad" or even just solo work, like in "TWYMMF" or "Billie Jean", that's jazz. That stuff is hard too, some think it looks easy, but it's way harder then any of that illusion movement you see, etc... if your not a natural dancer, you'll never look good doing it. That's why you never see the poppers doing the line dances in Michael's videos, they always have professional jazz dancers doing that stuff while the b-boys go off and do their own thing. It's cause they wouldn't look so hot doing jazz.

Posts on ballet in relation to Michael, etc...

Ballet steps:

You have to train long and hard for that kind of thing, years, and it damages you after a while. Ballet dancers have short lived careers because of the punishment they do to their bodies. You think those guys on that show are good, you should see Nureyev or Baryshnikov. Gene Kelly as well, who was a trained ballet dancer. Michael isn't trained, he has no formal or even informal training as a dancer, he couldn't do those leaps, etc... those are strength moves, he has the grace to do it, easily, but the strength, I'm not so sure. Strength equals grace in a lot of ways, it allows you to make those athletic jumps with ease and if you are a natural dancer, you'll be able to hold it just long enough for it make a good cut. Michael has that, he has that natural ability to extend the body and hold it, creating a perfect line, he has that natural ability more then anyone really, that's what I mean when I say he has perfect lines, he gets full and clean extension on his moves, to the point where it would make a perfect silhouette, but the strength required to make the leaps, just to jump that high, etc... I just don't think so.

Michael isn't as physically strong as a lot of dancers, I mean, the guy only weighs 120 lb., and the athletic leaps in ballet require a lot of strength, just to get that kind of air. Gymnasts can do that kind of stuff, but they can't dance, they're lines aren't anything, and they aren't coordinated in that way.

A lot of dancers on "So You Think You Can Dance", for example, have horrible lines, they can do the leaps, but they have bad lines.

I'm talking just initial movement, how well you flow between steps, and how clean your lines are. Michael does that better then anyone, he's got real grace, fluidity and speed, that's what makes him the best.

I say Michael is the best natural dancer that has ever lived because, while he lacks all of the training, in his initial movement from step to step, he still makes even the best professionals look average. He has all of the potential in the world as a dancer, he picks up steps and styles more quickly then anyone, that's what makes him the best, it's all there for him, it's all natural.

Training won't get you anywhere if you don't have the natural ability. You'll be an average dancer, but never a great one, or even a good one.

Michael, for his strength and weight, gets good enough height I think. He isn't going to make some air shot like Michael Jordan, lol, but he gets good enough height, and with the natural ability he has, he gets the most amazing extension when he does any movement, like that one move from "Bad" and "TWYMMF" when he gets up on one toe and extends his leg out, check out his form on that, he's beautiful. He just doesn't get that high, so it doesn't look as spectacular as a ballet dancer, or even a trained jazz dancer, but his movement is, all around, superior to all of them. His coordination is tops, you don't get better then Michael in that, and he has great flexibility too, as you said, it's just the height required for leaps, I don't think he's strong enough to get that high, but if he were, he would have the best leaps out of anyone, lol.

Michael isn't a trained dancer, but...
. Michael has had choreographers come in and teach him certain steps, it’s the same as Michael learning the dance routine for “Beat It” or “Thriller” from Michael Peter’s, he’s learning steps, not training. Or learning how to do a certain popping move from some b-boy, etc… you mentioned tap, he probably picked some of those steps up from Sammy Davis, etc... Also, he picks steps up just from watching people perform them, that’s been stated by several dancers who have worked with Michael. But in terms of training, actually dedicating himself to dance and training his body to do certain things, he's never had that. Training is about dedicating yourself to one thing, if dance, usually it’s one form, and doing it over and over and over until your body has grown so accustomed to it that it’s easy. Dance is about learning the basics of any certain form, training your body in the basics, jazz, tap, salsa, ball room, ballet especially is about training your body to do certain strength moves and hold certain positions, etc… you build the basics and then learn the steps, and then, if your any good, you create the style. A lot of those dancers on that show are trained, or have had some amount of training, meaning they’ve taken dance lessons on a regular basis starting at whatever age, and they’ve worked day in and day out to force their body into a certain condition. It’s like training an athlete. Michael never could have had that kind of training because of his fame at such a young age, and he was obligated towards his other crafts as well, singing and composing music, etc… In order to be a trained as a dancer, you have to dedicate your life to it, like Michael Peters said in “The Making of Thriller”. He talked about Michael being able to dance effortlessly with these people who have spent x amount of dollars training to become solely dancers, and he talked about how remarkable that was. That’s Michael’s uncanny natural ability. Michael has no foundation as a dancer, he doesn’t have any of the basics in any dance form, which makes it all the more astonishing how easily and quickly he picks up steps in any particular form, and does those steps with such ease. Again, that’s his innate, natural ability.

Just because Michael can’t do certain things that a trained dancer can doesn’t mean he isn’t as good or better, it doesn’t take away from Michael as a dancer, because all that really matters is how well you move. The steps you can or cannot do don’t matter, it’s how well your body moves from pose to pose.

If Michael was trained, he would be a complete dancer, but there is something he gains from not being trained, he is not limited by rules and restrictions and does with his body as he pleases, I prefer him not to be trained, because it allows for him to be himself more in his dance.

The best trained dancer, imo, was Fred Astaire, he started taking ballet lessons as the age of 4, and as a young man turned his attention to tap and jazz, he was given lessons in that, and trained with Bill Robinson. For a woman, Cyd Charisse is an amazing dancer, she was actually in the Janet Jackson video that had Cab Calloway in it too. She was in 3 or 4 films with Astaire.

The poses are more similar then the actual steps, I think I said something like that earlier too. You guys are right.

Learning steps is not the same as training. Michael's always worked with choreogrophers, but that hardly means he is trained. And it wasn't until he really got away from the Jackson's that he started performing dance as structure, he did some simple choreogrophy with his brothers, and it looked real nice, but it wasn't until he went out on his own that he really started breaking out.

And line dancing has actually been around for a looooong time, way before Fosse even. A lot of musicals from the 1930s featured heavy line dancing, from choreogrophers such as Busby Berkeley. He did really spectacular line dancing with tap dancers, and also chores lines, etc...

Michael didn't have the time to dedicate his entire life to just dancing as he too is a recording artist. His talent as a vocalist and as a song writer/composer is equally as brilliant as his talent as a dancer, so to have ignored those would have been a tragedy. But as you said, Michael is very much capable of anything involved in dance, he could easily do what Astaire did or a ballet dancer does if he had the time to study their forms of movement with as much intensity and focus as they did or do. As I've heard before, Michael picks up and performs steps quicker then any professional dancer, and it's because, while they may have conditioned their bodies all of their lives, and trained to improve their strength, to improve their ease and their fluidity, etc... Michael was simply born with it, he is more naturally gifted and so doesn’t require conditioning to look trained, he can just do things that an untrained dancer shouldn't be able to do, he can move in a way that an untrained dancer can't or just shouldn’t be able to, yet he can, he's like a freak of nature, only meant in a good way, he has so much talent.

His dancing in the video for Bad, for example, looks like that of a Broadway jazz dancer, only better. He's as naturally gifted as a dancer can be.

His natural ability is what makes him so special. He looks like a professional dancer when he moves. I can't say that about any other natural dancer. They look raw, but Michael somehow looks more polished then those with training.

Random observation:

The neatness of his lines, combined with his speed and precisian lead to what looks like an utterly controlled explosion. There is such a great amount of strength in his movements, he is so pronounced and perfectly aligned, he flows as easily as the music does.

One more post:

You know, naturally rhythm as a dancer is important, obviously, but I've noticed that free-styling is often judged by how many steps you execute, not how well you execute them. And that's absurd, because dancing is all about how well you move, how clean, quick and precise you are, how well you flow from one step to the next.

One should never judge a dancer on how many steps they do in one performance or how many steps they can come up with on the spot, they should judge them on how good their movement is, how good their natural rhythm is, how in time they are with the music, and how well they flow between steps, how naturally and easily they flow. Because you can perform 10 steps more then the other guy, but if they aren't as quick, clean and fluid, then who cares? It's the quality of steps, not the quantity, that counts. I would rather see 3 beautifully executed steps then 10 sloppy steps.

Free style dancing should be based on what you look like when you dance, how quick and clean your movement is, and how rhythmic your movement is, not what steps you do or how many you do, just like what every other form of dance is based on. It's based on movement, not specific steps. People tend to forget that or simply not know that. It's how you move, not what movement you do. Dance is all about rhythm, precisian, timing and flow.



I know, I know, how many ways can you say the same thing, right? Well, I thought I would just put down all the posts I've written on Michael's dancing from discussion forums here, for everyone who has the TIME to read them, lol. Hope you enjoyed it, either way.

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